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Maxemus Payne
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:31:00 -
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Just some minor commentary here...
1. I don't know the last time I won a 1v1 BS fight in under 50 seconds.
2. I don't know the last time I brought a 3x BCU II Cerberus to a fight and outran anything... ever. For example: A Cerberus at 1376 m/s vs a Thorax... at 2028 m/s is just disgusting.
3. 40 seconds? Makes me want to puke. Who thought of that?
4. The ammo change issue- how does that stop them from stopping mid fight and just changing ammo to a different kind to continue to deliver the higher dps and avoid the 40 second(forever) timer?
5. Rebalance missiles or the ship bonuses
Why would you want to take the ONE THING that the Caldari have going for it in terms of PVP away from them?
6. Fit a RLML Cerberus... then fit a HAM Cerberus and a HVM Cerberus... What issues arise?
DO this:
Speed up the Drake to make it able to kite or at least catch another BC hull. A HAM Drake can't deliver dmg if it can't catch anything. HVM Drake can't keep anything on field or deliver enough dps to win a fight. Seriously 1003 m/s?
Give the Caracal hulls more fitting space so it can actually fit the weapon systems on them(1 LSE II on a HAM Caracal? GTFO.)
Keep RLMLs intact or make other weapon systems viable. Going from 1 usable weapon to 0 is not a choice. With the introduction you could take them from 2 to 0.
For the record- HAMs and HVMs are NOT alternatives to RLMLs... they're not used for the same things and if you think they are you're doing something wrong.
Shifting around these launchers covering up what is a serious issue with the missile systems.
Sorry for the tangents but I have a great distaste for the way that Eve's PVP is being herded towards blobs and away from solo/small gang... Stop tailoring the game for the major alliances and make it for the base Eve population. Everything else will work itself out. |
Maxemus Payne
THE BOARD OF EDUCATION
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Posted - 2013.11.13 10:20:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Maxemus Payne wrote:
2. I don't know the last time I brought a 3x BCU II Cerberus to a fight and outran anything... ever. For example: A Cerberus at 1376 m/s vs a Thorax... at 2028 m/s is just disgusting. .
Er, try not plating and trimarking your Cerberus. 
No trimarks on the Cerberus friend. Had Medium Core Defense Field Extender Is.... |
Maxemus Payne
THE BOARD OF EDUCATION
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Posted - 2013.11.13 10:46:00 -
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Mr Gojira wrote:Maxemus Payne wrote:Just some minor commentary here...
1. I don't know the last time I won a 1v1 BS fight in under 50 seconds.
So what part of Rapid missile launchers being for attacking smaller ships than yours are you not comprehending? And most of the people in this thread for that matter? An a Caracal is a kiting ship tank is low on kiting ships...
I was merely using the example to illustrate the lack of vision for ths reload feature. I've used a nanophoon on sisi with RHMLs to great effect against battleship hulls and cruiser hulls alike. The Caracal that I normally kite with has 13k shield HP and is over 2000m/s cold. So its not THAT low in terms of HP buffer or speed. That was never in question.
If you read this- "This translates to a Caracal with 3x BCU, T2 Rapid Light Launchers and Scourge Fury missiles doing 409 dps"
from CCP Rise at the beginning of the thread you would see that this is not the typical nano Caracal setup. A Cerberus with the same lows is over 500m/s slower than its T1 variant.
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Maxemus Payne
THE BOARD OF EDUCATION
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Posted - 2013.11.13 10:58:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Maxemus Payne wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Maxemus Payne wrote:
2. I don't know the last time I brought a 3x BCU II Cerberus to a fight and outran anything... ever. For example: A Cerberus at 1376 m/s vs a Thorax... at 2028 m/s is just disgusting. .
Er, try not plating and trimarking your Cerberus. No trimarks on the Cerberus friend. Had Medium Core Defense Field Extender Is.... Cerberus, clean, with a 10MN MWD reaches 1730 ms.....
-You are correct. I wasn't tracking that I didn't have the most up to date EFT on this laptop. In a transition state right now so that was an oversight on my part. Apologies. |
Maxemus Payne
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:07:00 -
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Confirmed- new RLMLs went from the most usable missile launcher platform to the least. Excellent work there CCP.
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Maxemus Payne
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:54:00 -
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[Caracal, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x2
Our Problems are now gone! 290DPS with my setup... 2058ms 8.2k shields and 24k EHP.
What more could you ask for?
[Caracal, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x2
504 DPS! 19K EHP!
Now you pesky missile spewing demons can stop being greedy and play the game.
Sure, all of us want a ship that can either A. have a tank and do damage or B. have range and speed...but you can't have them all on one ship. Will the HAM Caracal beat a Thorax? Probably not. Will the HML Caracal take 10 years to kill something? Probably. This makes the game fun though because it gives your adversaries the opportunities they need to have their backup arrive. This, in turn, gets you more kills in the long run. Enjoy my setups and get lots of kills. Those wanting to make donations are able to do so at their leisure! This may or may not be satyr. |
Maxemus Payne
THE BOARD OF EDUCATION
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:17:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Maxemus Payne wrote:Our Problems are now gone! 290DPS with my setup... 2058ms 8.2k shields and 24k EHP.
What more could you ask for? Without rigors, flares or target painters your applied DPS against an AB target is going to be a fraction of that.
That is to be expected indeed. |
Maxemus Payne
THE BOARD OF EDUCATION
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:19:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Maxemus Payne wrote:That is to be expected indeed. I'm just trying to rationalize your HML fit with this comment: "Now you pesky missile spewing demons can stop being greedy and play the game." Assuming V skills, you'll do between 40-42% of stated DPS. Against a cruiser. So your 290 DPS Caracal actually has applied DPS of around 120. Less than most frigatesGǪ Granted, the Caracal will survive a bit longer - but I'm not sure what the point would be.
Read the very last line of my post. |
Maxemus Payne
THE BOARD OF EDUCATION
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:42:00 -
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I am disposable wrote:Maxemus Payne wrote:[Caracal, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x2
Our Problems are now gone! 290DPS with my setup... 2058ms 8.2k shields and 24k EHP.
What more could you ask for?
[Caracal, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x2
504 DPS! 19K EHP!
Now you pesky missile spewing demons can stop being greedy and play the game.
Sure, all of us want a ship that can either A. have a tank and do damage or B. have range and speed...but you can't have them all on one ship. Will the HAM Caracal beat a Thorax? Probably not. Will the HML Caracal take 10 years to kill something? Probably. This makes the game fun though because it gives your adversaries the opportunities they need to have their backup arrive. This, in turn, gets you more kills in the long run. Enjoy my setups and get lots of kills. Those wanting to make donations are able to do so at their leisure! This may or may not be satyr. You honestly think that tank is adequate for a brawling cruiser? 
That is exactly my point. A. You can't brawl with a HAM setup vs another brawler cruiser. No EHP... The HML setup can survive a lot, but the application of damage is abysmal unless you have TPs and rigs to go with it. I have 18+mil SP in missiles... and find them to be pretty useless. Example: Fighting 4-5 cruisers vs my ScyFy(HML) They have a plated AB Exequror that I spend the better part of 10 minutes trying to kill... I thought at the time that it might be slaved and 1600mm because it was dying so slow...but it was 800mm T2. I eventaully killed it and all of its support but they brought in Geddons and I had to leave grid.
This should not be the case...
Arthur Aihaken- you are exactly right and I appreciate that you're trying to educate others as to the real shame.
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